After 11 years of German bikes, I've made the step towards..

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After 11 years of German bikes, I've made the step towards..

Postby Torque » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:39 am

...something else, and that's the Yamaha XT1200ZE Super Tenere :P

The reason was simple, the R1200RT had passed 80000km's and if I even wanted something of money wurth in return, it was the right time to have it sold. The ESA still worked perfectly, but could fail every moment, costing a sh#tload of money, and so goes the ABS. Both systems have a reputation...
So, selling the RT was descided, but what had to take it's placa as a dailly commuter, and if needed a long distance road train?

Choises were plenty, road bike like the RT or back to the all-road scene? Or a cross over, like a Duc Multistrada, rides like a dual sport on the road, but can't go off-road.
Thinking like that made me look towards the all-roads again, I mean, they're every bit as good as a road bike on tarmac, and go the extra bit off-road where the road bike can't.

So, a new all-road he... But what? The Italians don't have a real all-road, the Duc is a street bike, I can't even stand up straight on the foot pegs of the Moto Guzzi, and the Aprilia just doesn't ring my bell.
KTM, I don't know, really don't like the new one's, and the 990Adv, which I do like, can't be bought new any more. Besides, having a 990Adv. as a dailly commuter isn't a good idea, it needs to be an all-road but mostly a long distance hauler, not an over energized Rally monster, I'm going to work with it, not to Dakar.
BMW again, well, I absolutely dislike the new GS, bit i absolutely like the GSA. Weird, ain't it :lol: Everything which is different between these two bikes is waht I like on one, and hate on the other.
So, the new GSA, took it for a testride, about an hour, past summer. On some back roads in Flanders, "de Vlaamse Ardennen" to be precise.
And was firstly impressed by the power of the engine, and the lack of weight you feel when riding the bike.
Secondly, it started to annoy me. The bike doesn't feel at all like a GS(A), and I had a R1200GS and still have a R1150GSA, so I know what I'm saying. Nope, the response of the throttle, I could live with and I know I would've learned to live with. What I really didn't like was the fact the whole bike (still being a 260kg heavy bike) was ultra responsive on everything regarding the handling. No more picking your nose once you're in the curve, letting go of the haddle bars will result in you and the heavy beast in the ditch, it does no longer do what I think is amazing in all the GS'es I had, and that's the feeling that the bike will hold the line, no matter what. This one does not hold the line, it needs to be steered towards the line, every split second.
And so I gave the brand new GSA LC back to the dealer, rode back home on my 10y old R1150GSA and felt this old thing was way more like I wanted it to be.

What now? What bike would be a big step forward regarding comfort, engine power (honnestly, yes, I had wished sometimes my 1150 had more power) but would still feel like an "older" bike, not pushing its rider into illegal stuff every time, but at the same time being more than dast enough to chase down every rice rocket you encounter in the vizor when cruising alpine roads :mrgreen:
The Japs than, Honda, nope. Dislike the bike maybe as mich as the new GS. Suzuki, nope, doesn't ring a bell, rather have the KTM if that's my only option. But hey, wait a sec, how about Yamaha?

So, stopped at a local Yamaha dealer where I took his very first demo for a short spin back in 2010, only to find out Yamaha introduced a bunch of updates on the 2014 model. New dashboard, new wind screen with different settings etc...
Asken for a test ride, he didn't have one available so he called the distributor, they had one ready and 45min later I took the XT1200ZE (The "E" stand for the version with electronic suspension, but also with cruise control, heated grips etc, it's the full option) for a two hour trip. And it clicked, the pieces fell together, I saw the light, blablabla, you know what I mean :lol:

Rode back home on the old GSA, and this time I whished I was still on the Yam, which was a clear signal. Later that day I ordered my Super Tenere :P :P
Off course, all the after market options were coming from my own shop, so bought it full option but naked.
This it what it looks now, whit the exeption of the Gigi Trekker Outbakc panniers not yet being in the pictures, but allready on the bike now.

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Re: After 11 years of German bikes, I've made the step towar

Postby Rasher » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:57 pm

Welcome to the minority :mrgreen:

I really like my S10, overall the best bike I have ever owned as it is just good at everything, if you want a bit more power an Arrow system and good custom ECU Flash will add another 10%+ power.

They seem very reliable from what I have seen on forums with a lot of bikes over 50k now and few with in excess of 100k - and not one final drive meltdown, dropped valve or blown gearbox :wink:

A few UK owners lurk here:

http://www.adventurebikers.net/

Lots of really good info can be found here:

http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/

Mainly Americans, but also a sprinkle of S10 owners from around the globe.

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Re: After 11 years of German bikes, I've made the step towar

Postby Michael J » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:28 am

Nice toy! :D

It was the same way with my TEX - I wanted to replace a 11 year old VStrom with something a bit more modern with shaft drive. The GSes were in the running - rented them (1150s & 1200s) for 6 years and really liked them.

The S10 was just too tall for me - even with the seat lowered, and KTMs are totally out of the picture.

Then I took a TEX out for an hour or so...

Started the paperwork upon my return to the dealer and picked up the bike the next weekend.

I've only done one long ride on it (so far), but it's met or exceeded my expectations.

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Re: After 11 years of German bikes, I've made the step towar

Postby The raven » Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:32 am

Michael, that isn't a long ride....its an epic ride...don't be so modest =D>
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Re: After 11 years of German bikes, I've made the step towar

Postby Michael J » Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:04 pm

Yeah - but it was 21 riding days - only about 400 miles/day.

While I avoided Motorways whenever possible, west of the Mississippi River, speed limits on the roads out there are in the 70+MPH range, so I was usually on the road by 09:00 and stopped for the night by 16-17:00.

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I've got some video. If I can make it presentable, I'll post links here.

Come to think of it, I'll post them whether or not I can make them presentable. :twisted:
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Re: After 11 years of German bikes, I've made the step towards..

Postby Torque » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:55 am

Almost 4 years later, and still going strong this S10 of mine. Almost 4 years, means it's done it's time as a daily commuter. Normaly it should make way for a new bike but I just love it so much I've descided I'm gonna keep it as a vacation/holiday bike.
The new daily commuter will almost certainly be a BMW R1200RT LC, but it's only gonna do the daily commute to and from work.

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Re: After 11 years of German bikes, I've made the step towards..

Postby Michael J » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:33 am

And, just to be a contrarian, I've just bought my first German (albeit made in India) bike. a BMW G310GS.
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Re: After 11 years of German bikes, I've made the step towards..

Postby Rasher » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:29 am

I had one and vowed "never again"...

...although I only moved over the border to Austria for my new bikes. They seem to have a much better understanding of fun.

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Re: After 11 years of German bikes, I've made the step towards..

Postby kernowing » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:44 am

I'm toying with the idea of a BMW F700GS anyone had one??
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Re: After 11 years of German bikes, I've made the step towards..

Postby Pie man » Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:05 am

Welcome to the Super Ten club =D> :D I have the 2011.
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Re: After 11 years of German bikes, I've made the step towards..

Postby Rasher » Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:11 am

He has had it 3 years Mr P ;-)

I really liked mine, very reliable and robust bikes.

I really like both the KTM's I have, but really not keen on the latest BMW's / KTM's with:-

* Semi-Active suspension (tried both BMW and KTM systems and neither are as good as the conventional WP kit on my 1190)

* Colour TFT screens (how many people have any TFT screen that is more than 5 years old and still working?)

* Keyless ignition (From what I have seen on the news the only advantage is burglars no longer have to break into your house to steal your keys as they just "steal" the fobs signal instead)


The one thing missing on both my bikes I would of liked is cruise control, annoying as it is all fly-by-wire so would have cost them virtually nothing to include it, but they did not do so in the belief I might of bought the old 1290 Super Adventure, sure I would spend an extra £2k on a bike that is much heavier and had a load of crap I did not want just to get the CC.

With the new range the 1090 does not have it and the 1290 does, again, do they really think someone will pay an extra £4k+ to upgrade to the bigger bike, or maybe they are losing sales to the Tiger 800 as it is included on that bike which is a direct competitor.


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